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From :Susan Barden <susan.barden@saratoga-springs.org>
Subject :Fwd: 118 Woodlawn Special Use Permit Comments
To :Julia Destino <julia.destino@saratoga-springs.org>
Zimbra julia.destino@saratoga-springs.org
Fwd: 118 Woodlawn Special Use Permit Comments
Wed, Nov 15, 2023 04:46 PM
This one too...
Susan B. Barden, AICP
Principal Planner
City of Saratoga Springs
474 Broadway
Saratoga Springs, NY
518-587-3550 ext. 2493
From: "Gary Hasbrouck" <gman62happy@gmail.com>
To: "Susan Barden" <susan.barden@saratoga-springs.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 11:31:00 PM
Subject: 118 Woodlawn Special Use Permit Comments
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Public Comment - Project #2023021
Special Use Permit
118 Woodlawn Ave
From: Gary Hasbrouck
36 State Street
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
Dear Planning Board Members,
Public speaking is a nerve-racking experience. I agree. Submi ng comments in wri ng is the most
effec ve way of communica ng thoughts and observa ons.
I firmly believe the only way this project can be successful and protect the neighborhood is through
condi oning any approval on wri en and verbal asser ons of the applicant. That said, certain
condi ons created by this unique project may not be able to be mi gated through planning measures.
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Parking and traffic flow are 2 concerns which may be out of the applicant ’s control. Woodlawn Ave,
State Street, Alger Street, Vermont Street and North Broadway, in that order, will be the most affected
public streets where on street parking will be stressed. I think it is pre y obvious that 118 Woodlawn
occupancy capacity of 84-118 guests will max out the 32 private parking spots and fill any parking
voids on Woodlawn, State and Alger with only a 60% of capacity turnout. More importantly, Bolster
Alley has no “no parking ” signs which will allow members and their guests to par ally block the alley
without fear of ckets from parking enforcement. Traffic will flow away from the feared and busy
intersec on of VanDam & Woodlawn and flow towards Greenfield Ave as an exit towards a traffic
control device either at Route 50 & Rock or North Broadway & VanDam/Route 50 and even possibly at
Clinton & VanDam. No one can force members and guests to drive or park on designated streets. That
is simply a fact.
Does this venture even qualify as a not-for-profit and does it need to be? Does the not-for-profit own
the building or does it lease from someone? Does it already have 501c3 status? A Board of Directors?
A resolu on authorizing the ren ng of space? Does it ma er if the “Ini al Director ” is related to the
property owner? Does it serve a purpose or provide services that a for profit business already offers?
Does the City Center/Hotel offer food, drink and mee ng space? Yes. The Holiday Inn? Yes. The Hilton?
Yes. Olde Bryan Inn? Yes. The Inn at Saratoga? Yes. Par ng Glass? Yes. Hampton Inn? Yes. Can na? Yes.
Harvey ’s? Yes. Adelphi? Yes.
Should the Board arrive at a conclusion that traffic and parking will not be a detriment to nor change
the character of the neighborhood, the Board needs to condi on any approval on the many asser ons
(both wri en and verbal) by the applicant. These reasonable condi ons must be specifically stated in
the Special Use Permit resolu on:
-The Social Club is to be run by a registered Not-for Profit Organiza on with the proper documenta on
proving Not-for-Profit status on a yearly basis.
-A clear defini on of a member (with dura on of membership), a guest, an employee, a volunteer, a
Director and a Board Member.
-A limit to the number of employees on site at any one me. While there may not be mul ple chefs,
there may be a manager, bartender, waitstaff, kitchen help, and maintenance persons in the building
at the same me. The ini al promise of only 6 employees may be light unless 2 of the helpers may be
“volunteers or Board Members”. Hence the need to iden fy tles.
-Both parking lots to be used exclusively for 118 Woodlawn. If either lot is sold or leased to another
en ty, Special Use Permit is terminated.
-No live music nor amplified music. Se ng decibel levels outside is just a nonstarter.
-No outside events in either parking lot. Parking lots for parking only and delivery trucks.
-No deliveries curbside.
-No special events like fundraisers, sweet 16 par es, weddings or showers, Batchelor/Bachelore e
par es and the like.
-Hours of opera on should end at 9pm.
-No access to Bolster Lane since the code specifically states the alley is “not intended for general
traffic circula on.”
-Maximum membership of 200
-Change of ownership or change of not-for-profit en ty requires renewal of SUP
Others will have condi ons they would like to see placed upon this approval. I’m not sure you can
condi on your way out of all the nega ve impacts a project like this COULD have on the
neighborhood. The package you are being sold may not be the package that ’s delivered. Reasonable
condi ons, while comfor ng at the me, may not prevent the Business Social Club from morphing into
something less appealing.
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